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Moving to dreamwidth or staying on lj?
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rocks_not_dead wrote in t_and_b_anon
(Please note that with some time of waiting in the dreamwidth queue the entire community including all comments and settings can be moved to dreamwidth.)

Poll #1805782 Move to dreamwidth or stay on lj?
This poll is closed.

As for so many other memes recently, it's time for us to decide now, too. Do we want to move the meme over to dreamwidth or stay on lj?

move to dreamwidth
stay on lj

I'd also like to say, for those who don't know yet that dreamwidth is going invite code free til the end of the year. However, you can also post without having an account here.

The poll will close January 7th.

I'd say move to dreamwidth because the tracking function is now useless to me. I get an inbox full of 'reply to an entry' or 'reply to a comment' which is very frustrating because I used the tracker to see when a particular thread was updated.

That and LJ's customer service sucks hairy donkey balls.

I agree on this. The way I keep track here (because I can't read every single comment) is that I look at the threads that suddenly get many many comments. More often than not if there's a problem that's an indicator. And for me now, too, they all look the same.

I don't really know anything about Dreamwidth or how to use it....So I'm gonna go with LJ cause I'm a big chicken to change. T.T

If it does get sent to Dreamwidth is it going to be similar? OTL

Dreamwidth is very similar to LJ. Its creators were part of LJ before so...

I think the fact that it doesn't have layouts as pretty as LJ's would be its only drawback...

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How about we have the anonmeme on both dreamwidth and LJ, so as not to alienate users completely?

Like, say, the main prompts/fills post will be on dreamwidth, while we keep a second update post on LJ (plus a link to the current meme part) on this? That way when people load the t-and-b-anon page, they can find a link of the current dreamwidth page no problem.

This way, we get the best of two worlds :)

Oh, sure. I'm not even talking about deleting it here. It's just that... lj is fast becoming unusable. And for any meme the missing subject lines are a huge problem. We just really need to make sure that prompting and filling happens on one site and one site only. Because if we ever want to archive again (this is something I'm gonna come back to once the lj mess has been sorted), it would be a bit of a mess having it on two sites.

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I'm very new (just lurking actually) to this fandom, and though I voted 'move to DW', I'd suggest to, perhaps, just do this for provisional reasons? My hope is that, Eljay, might eventually fix the comment problem. And you might lose a lot of the readership by moving away entirely :/

While I'm very new to this community I have been in one that moved to dreamwidth and in the process lost 3/4 of their members. There were a number of reasons, number one being that most people were familiar with LJ and for the most part weren't having any major problems with it. Second...the invite codes for accounts. Someone here commented on keeping both. That may be a wise course of action until you can be sure that the majority will be comfortable enough with dreamwidth to not bail from the community completely.

Edited at 2011-12-25 11:18 pm (UTC)

If my kink meme message box is anything to go by, the new comment system has pretty much stopped the meme to a grinding halt. It doesn't seem like moving to DW will hurt more than it helps.

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I say move to DW. I fortunately have not suffered any migraines from LJ's new comment system (unlike many other users) but I have gotten the occasional headache from it. Since LJ already has plans to completely revamp the site, I'm worried that one day LJ is going to be completely unusable for a lot of people.

i don't mind to adjust with dreamwidth (i have no knowledge about it though)

it's kinda difficult with recent condition to track tnb anon posts, please do what you think is the best, we trust you mods! (okay bunny-trust-syndrome here... lol)

Things Dreamwidth has in its favor aside from subject lines and non-painful comments pages:

Larger character limits on comments. Over here we're limited to 4300 characters per comment. Over there, 16000. So a fic that needs to be posted as three or four comments here? Only one over there. Much less hassle for people who are filling.

Each comment has a link to view the entire thread starting at the original top-level comment. This means if you get an email notification for say part 50 of a fic (not that very many fics would get that high with the larger comments!), you can go to that comment - and then click to view the whole thing starting from the prompt that inspired it.

Comments pages have a link to view=flat. This is a feature not a lot of people seem to know about at LJ, because you have to add it to the URL manually - it gives a chronological list of comments to any post, rather than threaded. This means if you want to see what fills have been posted/updated recently, you can click that link and go to the last page, and see the most recent comments on that entire part of the meme. (And then if it's one that looks interesting but you didn't start reading at the beginning, you can click the previously mentioned link to go back to the very beginning!) This would also be extremely useful for archival purposes, since someone could conceivably check everything that's been posted on the meme at regular intervals, each time working backwards to the last time they archived. (Updaters at the Phoenix Wright kink meme were pretty pleased to discover this, if I recall.)

...Anything else I'm forgetting? I'm pretty sure there's more, but I pretty much live at DW except for a couple of anon memes over here, so I may take a lot of things for granted by now.

DW is designed so that fics can be directly loaded onto kindle and other e-readers, so you can post a multichapter fic in a single entry. I'm not sure how many characters they do allow for a single entry, but one entry I posted was 30,000 words.

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There's a way to reenable subject lines - the mods on f-fa essentially recreated the previous layout, and in their version, subject lines are featured again: http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/25451.html

If you try that, the meme should regain previous functionality.

I saw that method floating around on plurk...

IMO though, LJ's handling of the subject-lines/comment layout change has left a bad taste in my mouth. Their message has been pretty much 'Deal with it'. What else will we be forced to 'deal with' later on?

Limits on comment/entry texts so it'll be more like Facebook? And all with nothing but a warning a week before it suddenly happens?

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Why don't you simply wait for a while? It's obvious they are going to make the necessaries changes after all the feedback they are getting about this new system (unless they are retards).

LJ doesn't always roll back changes after people complain about things. There have been times in the past where they have, true enough, but considering the shift in the dev team and the particularly dense nature of LJ's customer service, I really don't see this one being reversed. The changes have already been coded, and there are so many more that they've already paid people do. It's highly unlikely that they'll simply throw it away.

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I vote that we move and do it as soon as possible. Dreamwidth is allowing people to sign up for free accounts without an invite code until the end of the year. If we wait until the middle of January, we might not have that opportunity anymore. The invite code system is what appears to be deterring people the most from moving. That, and fear that no one else will move with them. If we could all agree to get out of here now, neither of those would be an issue.

I've already imported my personal LJ, and it was really easy to do. For those of you still worried about losing contact with your LJ-only friends, DW has a feature that allows you to automatically crosspost your content to LJ. Besides, as it has been pointed out before, you don't need an account to post anonymously. Are people really that lazy that can't simply update their bookmarks? And the DW post/comment format is essentially the same as what LJ was before the change, so it's not like there's gonna be a bunch of confusing new doodads to adjust to. It'll be the same shit, but with less redonkulous updates.

You do have a point there. Though I think the whole thing for moving comms isn't going to be set up til tomorrow or so? Or so I've heard. I've imported my rp journal and my personal one will soon follow.

I just didn't want to suddenly jump this whole thing on everyone because I was like yeah, it's Christmas, a lot of people probably won't be online. But reading opinions now, and following what I'm seeing all over lj, I might soon have to revise my post. :/

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Have you looked at the new-layout method that was linked to in one of the above comments? I really don't want to move to Dreamwidth; as others have said, there's a chance of it significantly reducing the number of users here, and LJ-only folks who come into the fandom after the move won't be inclined to visit. Changing the layout would fix almost all our problems, if that's a feasible option. As for if the new changes get added to S2...well, we'll deal with that if it happens. But I really think a move to DW would put a major damper on acquiring new posters.

I heard that layout still doesn't help with long threads...

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Move please. LJ clearly doesn't give a fuck about the fandom side and wants to become a new facebook.

For those who are uncomfortable with moving, here's a few links to read up on.

A preview of what LJ will look like in the next year or so. They aren't going to change it back.

How nasty LJ's staff has been to the userbase

How to make Dreamwidth appear to look like LJ

How to get some of your pretty layouts on Dreamwidth

In addition, Dreamwidth suffers no DDoS attacks and has an active staff willing to help out and answer questions as quickly as possible

Oh yes and http://dw-codesharing.dreamwidth.org/

Getting a DW journal, even after the promotion ends is really easy. If you guys still need invite codes, message me I've got plenty to share

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Ah, my only question is what to do about the long fills that are already in progress. If we move, will there be a post specifically for continuing those? If so, will we have to repost them entirely, or just have a link to what's already written and go from there? And if not, do we just continue working on them on LJ, or do we integrate them into the new prompt requests on DW somehow?

The comments to every post can be imported as-is, so that no one has to repost anything or link to other threads or start up fresh with new posts or any of that other confusing BS. If we move, every post, comment, and thread in the community will come with it. You won't have to do anything except wait for it all to transfer to DW.

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