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Moving to dreamwidth or staying on lj?
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rocks_not_dead wrote in t_and_b_anon
(Please note that with some time of waiting in the dreamwidth queue the entire community including all comments and settings can be moved to dreamwidth.)


Poll #1805782 Move to dreamwidth or stay on lj?
This poll is closed.

As for so many other memes recently, it's time for us to decide now, too. Do we want to move the meme over to dreamwidth or stay on lj?

move to dreamwidth
102(58.3%)
stay on lj
73(41.7%)


I'd also like to say, for those who don't know yet that dreamwidth is going invite code free til the end of the year. However, you can also post without having an account here.

The poll will close January 7th.

Other: not even caring

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Some of us might end up just posting to the dreamwidth side, though :/

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I voted to move because LJ's customer support has been astoundingly poor, and for every time they implement changes that people hate and people don't leave, LJ will feel more and more free to ignore customer feedback. In particular the fact that accessibility is a second priority is very frustrating.

Not sure how closely related this comm is to the main tiger and bunny comm (I know you link to it in the User Info at least), but has anyone talked to the mods there to see if they've any interest in moving the main community to dreamwidth as well? It seems like there might be less fracturing of the fanbase if both of the major communities are on the same site.

I've asked them about it, their response was "We'll keep it in mind".

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I've been watching the poll since it's been put up, and as new votes have trickled in over the past three days, the percentage of people wanting to move has remained exactly the same, and it doesn't seem likely that the percentage will change. A significant number of author anons complained about how much they hate the new comment system (thread four comments up), and some even said that they won't post the remainder of their ongoing fills to the meme unless we move. That's pretty bad, folks. Without someone filling the prompts, this meme has a 100% chance of dying. A two-thirds majority is pretty significant, and even if the 35 people who voted to stay absolutely refuse to participate after we move, there would still be 70 happy people keeping the meme alive. There's also probably a few people who won't care either way that aren't voting at all.

Um... is this good enough for us to announce that we're leaving? At this point, we're probably better off trying to convince the people against moving to follow us over there.

It looks like the LJ-only users are coming out of the woodwork now. D:

I really hope the vote goes DW. I have three ongoing fills right now, and I want to actually be able to finish them.

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Anon author here to ask: Are there any authors who would continue filling if we do NOT move? I was one of the ones who spoke up above basically saying I pretty much definitely will not be able to with this system, but I want to know if there would still be authors posting if we remain here.

I'm also curious what exactly people would plan to do with this system if we stayed. Are there some ideas on how to make things more navigable again?

I'd probably eventually complete my fills, but I'd be more likely to post them non-anon and just comment over here letting the OPs know where the finished fic was, rather than posting my updates as I write them. I've posted two fill updates since the change and it's just not worth the hassle.

Heads up - community imports are up and running over at DW! (http://dw-maintenance.dreamwidth.org/41798.html) For comms with less than 100,000 comments, anyway... and we've got a little under 19,000.

Yeah. And as far as I understood that paid accounts have priority for another two weeks. I did ask and hopefully will get a response. But I think having misunderstood that is wishful thinking. :/

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Move please. I'm not even a DW user (well okay, I created an account a day ago just in case) but anything is better than the new LJ. They (the staff of LJ) don't seem so eager to give subject lines back.

To me it looks like the comment system is back to normal on here? So if that can be done for everyone I don't see why we should change.

I hate dreamwidth, so it would be a pain to change, though I would still read and write and request for the meme if it moved since I love TaiBani more then I hate dreamwidth.

The comment system is back to normal because of a change to an S2 style. LJ has already stated that S2 styles will eventually get the new comment system that we all hate so much, so this is a temporary band-aid, not a permanent solution.

What's to hate about Dreamwidth? Seriously, I don't understand. It's basically exactly like LJ with a few additional features like the expandable cut tags and the longer comment limits.

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Interesting and relevant link - a translated interview with igrick, head of LJ Russia and the guy responsible for the overhaul of the comments page:

http://uwaaaah.dreamwidth.org/288.html

His actions make rather a lot more sense when you understand what he's getting at - they're no less irritating for those who use the site as we (and most of the English-speaking userbase) do, but he makes it very clear that he doesn't understand why anyone would use LJ the way that the English-speaking/American users mostly use it, and therefore isn't catering to them.

A couple noteworthy excerpts:

LJ has found its appropriate use in Russia, although it was not planned to be this way from the start. Brad Fitzpatrick (starter of Livejournal) used LJ as a blog for himself and his friends, he used it, as an example, in order to not call everyone and not speak of the fact that he left on vacation. since then in america, Livejournal is used as its own closed area. 50% of journal entries, without taking into account communities, are "friends only" or "locked" to yourself, your friends, or groups of friends so that only they can read your words.

Much like Facebook, LJ is seemingly now run by someone who doesn't understand why people would want to keep their writings private or restricted. (As mentioned in the comments, he likely means "appropriate use" in the sense of "appropriate for Russian users" as opposed to appropriate use of the site in general. Either way, that's the kind of use he's familiar with and understands.)

[...]the cases that are holding up the service and the data, which have already accumulated, require hand-care. You need to take into account that we don't want to maintain 100% of the current functionality of LiveJournal, we want to take away some things and add others.

Which seems to be a pretty straightforward way of saying that subject lines (among other things they choose to get rid of) are definitely not coming back. Now I'm wondering what else they're going to get rid of?

[Regarding the migration of non-Cyrillic users] When you have an acient service which is full of advertising and there are no popular users who can keep the rest of the audience on the site, because they have long since gone to standalone, and the only remaining users are those who are part of communities, which stay there.

He seems to think that communities are the only reason the English-speaking userbase uses LJ since widely-read English-language blogs tend to have their own domain rather than using LJ - when the truth is, all kinds of bloggers used to use it for individual blogs, widely-read or not, and now communities are the only reason most of the userbase is staying, because SUP's policies screwed us over too much to stay for any other reason. (Also, with some of the stuff he says elsewhere in this article, I think when he says "communities", he's really thinking of ONTD rather than fandom communities that share fanworks and the like, revolving around a common focused interest. This really does explain why they thought that allowing Facebook/Twitter users to comment on entries was something the English-language users wanted, when so many of us were appalled.)

So frankly, now that the communities can move, we should - I can't fault the Russian leadership for wanting to cater the site to the way Russian users want to use it. However, it's very clear that the way non-Cyrillic users used to use the site is the lowest priority for LJ, and they don't care about preserving features that we use and they don't. I can see them removing all kinds of other things that allow for well-moderated and maintained fandom groups and semi-private journals just because the public Russian bloggers don't use them.

After reading that interview I'm even more confused about why they're making these changes. From what he says a large majority of LJ users are from the US, also that the paid accounts of American users are bringing in a fair bit of money. If that's really the case then shouldn't they want to be doing things to make their American users happy? Not the mention the rest of the English-speaking community here. Not everyone who speaks English on the internet is American... But anyway, how does it make sense to piss everyone off the way they have?

Allowing users to register through Facebook, Twitter, and Google+ isn't going to help them to "keep the American audience". They obviously don't understand their customers, and how is any business ever supposed to be successful if they don't cater for what their customers want? You can't always expect that people will want to use something for it's original intended purpose. Especially when you're talking about something like a blogging site.

And they can't say that they've gotten positive feedback about what they're doing with the site. I don't think I've seen a single comment that says the changes are a good thing. From what I've heard most people in the Russian community don't like it either.

I'm really getting fed up with the stupidity and arrogance of the LJ staff. I say the sooner we move to DW the better.

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Just an FYI - DW is keeping open account creation indefinitely, so no invite codes needed. It's probably not a permanent move, but they'll announce it before they reinstate invite codes.

Since the poll is closed, and the majority voted for moving to DW... are we leaving? Because if we're leaving, I'll wait until after everything's transferred to try refinding all the fills I was following.

Yeah... I'm sitting here waiting on posting any more fills until we move. (If we don't move, probably just doing like one of the other w!anons suggested and posting the fic elsewhere and commenting with a link. I sort of don't want to give LJ any content or page views at all anymore.)

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